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Grumman LLV

Grumman LLV

If you’re looking for a solid example of truth in advertising, look no further than the Grumman LLV, the United States Postal Service’s primary last-mile delivery vehicle for the past three decades.

What Was The Grumman LLV?

The LLV (Long Life Vehicle) entered into regular service in 1987, and was designed for a service life of 24 years. Unsurprisingly to anyone has seen a mail truck recently, most of LLV fleet is still on the road, more than 25 years after the last LLV was built.

Grumman was awarded the mail-truck contract in 1986 after the LLV beat out competitive concepts developed by Fruehauf and American Motors. The Jeep DJ-5 “Dispatcher,” the LLV’s processor, had been manufactured by American Motors.

With a 101-inch wheelbase and an overall length of just 176 inches, the USPS LLV delivery truck’s “footprint” is about the same size as a contemporary Kia Sportage’s.

The LLV was the first purpose-built USPS mail truck—previous U.S. Mail delivery vehicles were largely based on production vehicles that were modified for mail service. Among the many service attributes the USPS was looking for were:

  • Low cost of operation
  • Reliability
  • Easy entry and exit
  • Tight turning radius
  • Minimum 500-pound payload

The final product was an aluminum-bodied van featuring two sliding side doors, right-hand drive, a 1000-pound payload capacity, and 121 cubic feet of cargo space. Manufactured at a Grumman plant in Montgomery, Pennsylvania, the LLV rode on architecture shared with the Chevrolet Blazer, which was used under an agreement with General Motors.

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Most LLVs were powered by GM’s ubiquitous 2.5-liter “Iron Duke” 4-cylinder engine, which was mated to 3-speed automatic transmission geared for low-speed operation. Later-production examples of the truck were powered by a 2.2-liter evolution of the same engine.

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Grumman LLV

Nearly 100,000 LLV mail trucks were built between 1987 and 1994.

The EPA rated the LLV at 17 mpg in combined driving, though the USPS reports real-world mileage closer to 10 mpg. That’s a low number, but it’s understandable considering the LLV’s duties usually require lots of stop-and-go driving while carrying heavy loads.

The original contract called for 99,150 trucks, most of them to be delivered between 1987 and 1994. The per unit price came to $11,651, or about $28,000 in 2021 dollars. Knowing a good thing when it sees it, Canada Post—Canada’s federal mail service—also contracted with Grumman for the LLV. Canada got out early, however, replacing the Grumman truck with Ford Transits back in 2010.

Though generally reliable, the LLV was (is?) not without its flaws. The vehicle is not equipped with air conditioning—something its replacement (see below) includes—and the cabin heater is prone to malfunction.

Additionally, the LLV can be a handful in snow. The rear-drive layout does not provide optimal grip in low-traction situations, and the truck’s limited ground clearance can be detrimental when driving through deep snow.

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DJ-5 Mail Truck

Manufactured by AMC, the Jeep DJ-5 “Dispatcher” preceded the LLV as the USPS’s primary last-mile delivery vehicle.

Worse, LLVs suffer from a design flaw involving the location of the windshield washer-fluid reservoir over the fuse box. Fluid leakage into the fuse box resulted in some 400 under-hood fires in LLVs over the years.

As LLVs aged out of their service life and were retired, the USPS delivery fleet has been supplemented by a number of “off-the-shelf” delivery vehicles, most of them minivans.

The LLV’s days are finally officially numbered, however. On February 23, 2021, the U.S. Postal Service awarded Wisconsin-based Oshkosh a 10-year contract to supply up to 165,000 new-generation delivery vehicles to replace the LLV.

The Next Generation Delivery Vehicle (NGDV) features a somewhat cartoonish profile that is actually an ideal shape for a low-speed, large-volume, last-mile delivery truck. The USPS has been deliberating this purchase since 2015, when it first solicited proposals for the new mail truck. The NGDV beat out concepts submitted by Indian carmaker Mahindra, electric-vehicle startup Workhorse, Utilimaster, and AM General.

The NGDV will initially be powered by internal-combustion engines, but later on production will shift—at least in part—to electric drivetrains. No word on how long the NGDV is intended to remain in service, but given the USPS’s record, we will likely being seeing these trucks for a very long time. Production of the NGDV is expected to begin in 2023, and—good news for postal workers—those trucks will be air conditioned.

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Oshkosh NGDV 1

Production of the Oshkosh NGDV is scheduled to begin in 2023.

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Episode: 61

Broadcast date: December 27, 2020

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Christmas Wish Lists, Elon Musk Offers Tesla to Apple

Host Tom Appel and co-hosts Jill Ciminillo and Damon Bell start off the show by discussing  Elon Musk’s recent tweet about his attempt to sell Tesla to Apple three years ago, and the reports of Apple’s current plans to enter the autonomous electric-vehicle market. Instead of a guest this week, we share our automotive Christmas wish lists–vehicles we wish automakers would build (or start building again). Tom has a quiz for Damon and Jill on fake trim-level names, and Damon runs down the latest articles on the Consumer Guide Daily Drive blog, including test-drive reviews of the Chevrolet C8 Corvette Convertible and the BMW X7 M50i.

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Quick Spin: 2020 BMW X7 M50i

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Test Drive: 2020 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible

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F-150 Hybrid

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Episode: 56

Broadcast date: November 225, 2020

Guest: Brian Bell

F-150 Hybrid; 2022 Honda Civic

Host Tom Appel and co-hosts Jill Ciminillo and Damon Bell start off the show by discussing  four just-unveiled new vehicles: the 2022 Honda Civic Prototype, 2022 Infiniti QX55, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392, and 2022 Subaru BRZ. Brian Bell, Marketing Manager for the Ford F-150, joins us to talk about the all-new 2021 F-150 . Tom has a quiz for Damon and Jill on important auto-industry dates, and Damon runs down the latest articles on the Consumer Guide Daily Drive blog, including our Consumer Guide First Spin review of the 2021 Hyundai Elantra compact sedan.

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Jill’s BRZ Post

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Episode: 49

Broadcast date: October 4, 2020

Guest: Matt Edmonds

Buying Tires Online, C8 Corvette Review

Host Tom Appel and co-hosts Jill Ciminillo and Damon Bell start the show by sharing their test-drive impressions of the Chevrolet C8 Corvette. Matt Edmonds, Executive Vice President at The Tire Rack, joins us for a talk about buying tires online, what to look for when tire shopping, and The Tire Rack’s extensive tire-testing processes. Tom has a groan-worthy quiz on car/movie-title puns for Damon and Jill, and Damon runs down the latest articles on the Consumer Guide Daily Drive blog–including a Consumer Guide review flashback on the 1974 Dodge Monaco.

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The Tire Rack

Quick Spin: 2020 Ford Edge ST

Quick Spin: 2020 Volkswagen Jetta SEL Premium

Review Flashback! 1974 Dodge Monaco

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Cadillac Super Cruise Subscriptions

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Episode: 42

Broadcast date: August 16, 2020

Guest: Rob Peterson

2020 Buick Encore GX, Cadillac Super Cruise Subscriptions

Host Tom Appel and co-hosts Jill Ciminillo and Damon Bell start off the show by talking about Cadillac being on the cusp of charging a subscription fee for its Super Cruise  hands-free-driving system. We also discuss Ford Motor Company’s recently announced CEO switch, as Jim Farley steps in to take the the reins from Jim Hackett. Buick Marketing Manager Rob Peterson, joins us to talk about the 2020 Buick Encore GX subcompact SUV, and Buick’s transition to an all-SUV lineup. Tom has a quiz for Damon and Jill on average-transaction prices, and Damon runs down the latest articles on the Consumer Guide Daily Drive blog, including a test-drive review of the 2020 Nissan Frontier PRO-4X.

The Consumer Guide Car Stuff Podcast is broadcast every Sunday on Chicago’s WCPT AM 820 at 1:00 PM CST.

Discussed this week:

Test Drive: Cadillac CT6 with Super Cruise

Test Drive: 2020 Buick Encore GX Essence

Test Drive: 2020 Fiat 500X Sport

Test Drive: 2020 Nissan Frontier PRO-4X Crew Cab

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